Oto. I kinda like this episode. It’s goofy, but I like a little goof. I laughed a couple times. Maybe I should say I like this episode in comparison to the rest of the show. Except episode 6, which is still my favorite. That might be mean, though.
Pon. A shipgirl on a surfboard is a pretty funny idea. Other than that, though … eh. I don’t have much energy left for being mad about it, and I think we covered my grievances pretty well already. It’s a show. It’s basically inoffensive, unless bizarre structural choices offend you. I dunno … oh, wait. Yeah, I thought of something to be agitated over. Check out this comment. I didn’t catch it until quite a while after it was posted, so I didn’t respond to it at the time, but I have thoughts. I’m gonna blockquote the thing in its entirety. Hopefully DiGiKerot forgives me.
I had a random thought about Cinderella Girls being able to reap the benefit of the sheer number of idol related anime in the last year to provide a sense of grounding, whilst KanColle has people stretching to make Strike Witches comparisons which don’t quite work, but don’t really have time to flesh it out. Just pretend I said something clever about (the English-language audience at least) being able to ground what the show is about in terms of other cartoons they’ve seen in recent years, KanColle not so much.
Maybe I’m being unfair, but my quibble with this is, you shouldn’t have to learn how to watch a show by watching other shows. Certainly practice will make you better, for certain values of “better.” But unless it’s some experimental thing, which Kancolle most certainly isn’t, I’d say it’s more or less the job of the writer and director to teach you how you should be dealing with the thing you’re watching. That’s partly what the first act is for.
Also, possibly just the point of view of somewhat who is more inside on one of these properties than the other, but KanColle relies way, way more on inside humour to make the show entertaining that dereM@S does. I think it’s just a fundamental difference in approach – I mean, they could make a show out of exactly the same content without any of that nonsense, but it’s probably not what the shows core audience would want. I’m kind of surprised that folks who don’t follow the game are still watching it at all, honestly, because I’m not really sure what a lot of the appeal of it is otherwise, particularly if you then strip-out any desire to actually know the background of any of the shipgirls presented.
I’m not going to ignore the fact that Kancolle isn’t made with me in mind. Nor am I going to feign ignorance about how moe IPs work, or rant about moe being a plague or whatever; I’ve never felt that way. I’ll grant that maybe I’m asking the show to be something it just isn’t and was never going to be. I ask a lot from stories up front, and there are perils to that. It’s a tendency people should bear in mind if they’re trying to determine whether they’d like a thing by reading what I have to say about it.
Still … are we really okay with this? Are we cool with an absence of basic storytelling stuff if a show is sufficiently filled with memey references?
Oto. No. We are not.
Pon. There was a time when I was enough of a populist to have said I was okay with it. But not anymore. In fact, I’m also not okay with litfic that tries to ride on a bunch of references to the classics without bothering to include actual characters and ground them in their surroundings. To me it’s the same error. I like allusions to literature, film, history, pop culture, whatever, when they constitute part of a coherent and enjoyable whole. Basics first, is what I’m saying.
Omo makes an interesting comment about this in his reply, citing an earlier comment … damn, this has gotten pretty annoyingly meta, but what he says is, “in a lot of ways an enriching of the context for Kancolle is dangerous, not just because it can alienate existing fans. It can be even politically problematic.” That’s true, yeah. In its current incarnation, I think the accusation you hear sometimes that Kancolle is jingoistic is totally baseless and absurd, but adding more context to it might mean adding more WWII stuff, and … what then? It’d be thornier for sure, even if it were done well. I like thorny. But this sort of comes back to Kancolle not being for me.
Oto. I apologize for not really having a response to the wall of text presented to me. We’re too similar, you and I. All I can say is I agree.
Pon. We’re not that similar, you filthy Mio-hater.
Oto. Dammit! I don’t hate Mio! I was thinking about this, and while her brattiness frustrated me a little, I’m not frustrated by her character. Or so I thought. I’ve been thinking about it and I think part of why she frustrated me is because her getting all angry about there not being much of a crowd felt like a sudden change of character. I didn’t expect her of all people to act like that. But, that just sounds like I’m pushing my ideals onto her. She should be allowed to have some hang-ups that aren’t immediately apparent. In fact, I like that she’s more complex than some flat anime trope. So there.
Pon. You just wanted her to be the fucking red one.
Oto. I did.